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Sophia Thrale

Sophia Thrale

Female 1771 - 1824  (53 years)


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  • Name Sophia Thrale 
    Physical Description 1771 
    Dr. Samuel Johnson said of Hester's pregnancy with Sophia …
    This naughty baby stays so long that I am afraid it will be a giant, like King Richard.
     
    Birth 23 Jul 1771  Streatham Park, Streatham, Surrey, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Gender Female 
    Christening 11 Aug 1771  Saint Leonards Church, Streatham, Surrey, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Education 1775  Queens Square, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Attending Mrs Stevensons school and was memorising hymns, multiplication tables and Psalms, at the aged of four. 
    Physical Description 20 Dec 1776 
    She was a favourite of Dr. Samuel Johnson who described her as:
    Dear, sweet, pretty, lovely, delicious Miss Sophy.

     
    Note 20 Jan 1779 
    Her mother wrote in Thraliana …
    My second Daughter Susanna Arabella who will not yet be nine Years old till next May, can at this moment read a French Comedy to divert herself, and these very holy days her Amusement has been to make Sophy & sometimes Hester help her to act the two or three 1 st Scenes of Moliere)'s Bourgeouis Gentilhomme: add to this that She has a real Taste for English Poetry, and when Mr Johnson repeated some of Dryden's Musick Ode the other day, She said She had got the whole poem & Pope's too upon the same Subject by Heart for her own Amusement.—

    Her Knowledge of Arithmetick goes no farther than the four Rules, but She has worked a Map of Europe, and has a Comprehensive Knowledge of Geography that would amaze one.
     
    Note Jul 1779 
    Aged 9, her mother wrote in Thraliana …
    Susan & Sophy are fine Girls, and promise to be a Credit & Comfort to their Parents, neither do I yet see any Disposition in the Eldest that need give one pain.
     
    Note 6 Aug 1780 
    Her mother wrote in Thraliana
    Sophy has a Turn for making Verses, bad enough to be sure, yet such a Turn shews Genius in a Girl who was nine Years old only a fortnight ago.
     
    Note Jan 1781 
    When Susannah was eleven - her mother wrote of her in Thraliana …
    Susan has a surprising turn for Letter writing; her compositions are relly elegant, & She delights—odd enough—in reading Voiture & Sevigné. They both [Susannah and sister Sophia] have obtained the French Accent very completely, considering they have never been out of England. I should like to treat them to with a run to the Continent.
     
    Note 17 Dec 1781 
    Her mother wrote in Thraliana
    My Sophy Thrale has begun to study Musik in good earnest; She will learn to play & sing very well I fancy, Piozzi has great hopes of her. Sophy is an Epitome of all the Cotton family—'tis odd that none of my children should resemble my Father.
     
    Education Abt 1782  Kensington, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Mrs Cumyns' boarding school 
    Physical Description 11 Mar 1782 
    Her mother wrote in Thraliana
    Handsome enough, though not eminant for beauty.
     
    Medical 19 Nov 1783  Bath, Somerset, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    When Sophia was 12, her mother wrote in Thraliana
    Heavens! a new Distress! my Child, my Sophia will dye: arrested by the hand of God—apparently so: She will die without a Disease—Fits, sudden, unaccountable, unprovoked; Apoplectic, lethargic like her Father. Woodward and Dobson are called: they say her Disorder should be termed Allonitus. 'tis an instant Cessation of all Nature's Pow'rs at once. I saved her in the first Attack, bya Dram of fine Old Usquebough given at the proper Moment—it reviv'd her, but She only lives I see to expire with fresh Struggles.

    Oh spare my Sophia, my Darling, oh spare her gracious heaven—& take in Exchange the life of her wretched Mother!

    She lives, I have been permitted to save her again; I rubbed her while just expiring, so as to keep the heart in Motion: She knew me instantly, & said you warm me but you are killing yourself—I actually was in a burning Fever from exertion, & fainted soon as I had saved my Child.

    Hester has behaved inimitably too, all our Tenderness was called out on this Occasion: dear Creatures! they see I love them, that I would willingly die for them; that I am actually dying to gratifie their Humour at the Expence of my own Happiness: they can but have my Life-let them take it!”;
     
    Medical 27 Nov 1783 
    Johnson's letters show that he, and perhaps the physicians, regarded this attack of Sophia's as hysterical. He wrote…
    I had to-day another trifling letter from the physicians. Do not let them fill your mind with terrours which perhaps they have not in their own; neither suffer yourself to sit forming comparisons between Sophy and her dear father; between; whom there can be no other resemblance, than that of sickness to sickness. Hystericks and apoplexies have no relation.
     
    Medical Mar 1784 
    Samuel Johnson wrote about his concerns of her recurring illness …
    Poor Sophy has been very ill again. I am afraid she makes no progress.
     
    Physical Description 1795 
    Sophia Thrale 1771-1824
    Sophia Thrale 1771-1824
    Painting by Prince Hoare or a self portrait
    Burial Nov 1824 
    • Her burial date and place are not known to Thrale.com.
    Death 8 Nov 1824  Sandgate, Kent, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Alt. Burial Aft Dec 1824  Saint Leonards Church, Streatham, Surrey, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    A mourning tablet in her memory is located inside St Leonards Church, Streatham. 
    Sophia Thrale's mourning tablet
    Sophia Thrale
    Note 1832  Thrale Almshouses (1832-1930), Streatham High Road, Streatham, Surrey, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    The four daughters of Henry & Hester Thrale established almshouses for poor single women of Streatham. 
    Thrale Almhouses, Streatham High Road, 1832-1930
    Thrale Almshouses, 27 Polworth Road
    Notes 
    • She was aged:
      • 10 when her father died; and
      • 13 when her mother remarried.
    • Sir Joshua Reynolds portrait of Sophy is now at believed to be at Bowood House.
    Person ID I95  UK Thrale family
    Last Modified 16 Jun 2024 

    Father Henry Thrale, M.P.,   b. Between 1724 and 1730, Harrow Corner, Southwark, Surrey, England Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 4 Apr 1781, Grosvenor Square, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location (Age ~ 57 years) 
    Mother Hester Lynch Salusbury,   b. 16 Jan 1741, Bodvel, Caernarvonshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 2 May 1821, Clifton, Gloucestershire, England Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 80 years) 
    Note 1762  Offley, Hertfordshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Henry was invited to Offley Place by Hester’s uncle, Judge Sir Thomas Salusbury and was introduced to Hester Thrale who was aged 20 or 21. Henry was a solid respectable man who was kindly towards Hester and she wrote that Henry was …
    Nearly the handsomest man in England.
    However, she did not want to marry him. Hester appealed to her father upon his return. John Salusbury had no intention of marrying his daughter to Henry, as Henry's father and grandfather had lived in the cottage now being used by his brother, Sir Thomas Salusbury as a dog kennel. John Salusbury quarrelled with his brother Sir Thomas and took his wife and daughter to London. Sir Thomas proposed their marriage whilst her father was away in Ireland with George Montagu-Dunk, 2nd Earl of Halifax, President of the Board of Trade. This was agreed by her mother after uncle Sir Thomas promised to make a settlement in her favour of £5,000 if Hester married Henry. 
    Note 18 Dec 1762 
    Hester's father, John Salusbury died suddenly, leaving:
    • the North Wales Bach-y-graig estate to his wife, and
    • £5,000 to his daughter Hester.

    Hester, later speculated that his death might have been hastened by irritation at her proposed marriage to Henry Thrale; and Sir Thomas’s intention to remarry, as this ultimately resulted in Hester being disinherited from Offley Place. 
    Note 28 Jun 1763 

    Letter of request for a proposal meeting

    Henry wrote to Hester and her mother asking to call on them.
    ;Mr. Thrale presents His most respectful compliments to Mrs. & Miss Salusbury & wishes to God He could of communicated His Sentiments to them last night, which is absolutely impossible for Him to do to any other person breathing; He therefore most ardently begs to see Them at any Hour this afternoon, & he will at all Events immediately enter upon this very interesting Subject, & when once begun, there is no Danger of His wandering upon any other: in short, see them, He must, for He assures them, with the greatest truth & Sincerity, that They have murder’d Peace & Happiness at Home.
    Almost two weeks later they were married. 
    Note 9 Oct 1763 

    Dowry

    Henry Thrale met Hester’s maternal grandfather, Sir Thomas Salusbury and agreed upon Hester’s dowry. It included:

    • £10,000 to Hester from Sir Thomas Salusbury;
    • £700 a year for Hester from her father’s estate;
    • legacies from her mother and aunts worth £3,000;
    • £200 a year from Henry’s Crowmarsh Battle estate. The remainder of farm income went to Henry. The farm would in future be administered by two trustees for a period of 99 years

    On Henry’s death:

    • Hester’s income from Crowmarsh Battle farm would double;
    • she would get a lump sum of £13,400; and
    • provision would be made for trust and inheritances for any children that they may have.
     
    Marriage 11 Oct 1763  Saint Anne's Church, Soho, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [1
    Note 11 Oct 1776 
    Baronet Sir William Weller Pepys (1740-1825) wrote these verses to mark their 13th wedding anniversary.
    Give me to bless Domestick Life
    With sweet Repose secure from Strife;
    (Cries every Pedant in a College)
    A Wife not over-stockt with Knowlege;
    This—every Fool who loves to quote
    What Parrot-like he learn’d by rote;
    And every Coxcomb whose Pretence
    To Wisdom marks his want of Sense,
    And all good Huswives skill’d in Darning
    Who rail with much Contempt at Larning:

    And all who place their Sovreign Good in
    The Composition of a Pudding
    Repeat with such Triumphant Air
    Such deep Sagacity—you’d swear
    That Knowledge among Woman kind
    Was deadliest Poyson to the Mind;
    A Crime—which venial if conceal’d
    Like Theft at Sparta,—if reveal’d,
    The Guilty stamps with such disgrace,
    No Culprit dares to Show her Face.

    But tell me You, who dar’d despise
    These vulgar Maxims—who from Eyes
    Which well might grace the loveliest Fair,
    Turn’d not because bright Sense beam’d there;
    But—vent’rous Deed!—in Marriage sought
    A Mind with Stores of Knowledge fraught;
    Tell me through all these thirteen Years,
    Through varying Scenes of hopes and Fears;
    Could Ignorance more faithful prove?
    Could Folly’s Self more warmly love?

    Then long may this Auspicious Morn
    At each still happier Year’s Return
    Tell—what thy Sweet Experience shews,
    That Head and Heart are friend—not Foes.
     
    Residence From January 1781 - March 1789  Grosvenor Square, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Family ID F46  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Henry Merrick Hoare,   b. 1770   d. 1856, Barnes, Surrey, England Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 86 years) 
    Marriage 13 Aug 1807  Saint Marylebone, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [2
    Note On hearing of the wedding, which she did not attend, Sophia's mother Hester wrote of Sophia's kindness and civility. 
    Note 17 Oct 1807 


    Given an original Gainsborough landscape painting by her Mother on her wedding. This painting was later owned by the Marquis of Lansdowne and displayed in London at 1936 Gainsborough exhibition.

    On 17 October 1807, Hester wrote of the painting …
    The Subject Cattle driven down to drink, & the first Cow expresses Something of Surprize as if an Otter lurked under the Bank. It is a naked looking Landschape "done to divert Abel the Musician by representing his Country Bohenia in no favourable Light, & the Dog is a favourite's Portrait...
     
    Family ID F56  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
    Last Modified 15 Jun 2024 

  • Event Map
    Link to Google MapsBirth - 23 Jul 1771 - Streatham Park, Streatham, Surrey, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsChristening - 11 Aug 1771 - Saint Leonards Church, Streatham, Surrey, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsEducation - Attending Mrs Stevensons school and was memorising hymns, multiplication tables and Psalms, at the aged of four. - 1775 - Queens Square, Middlesex, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsEducation - Mrs Cumyns' boarding school - Abt 1782 - Kensington, Middlesex, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsMedical - When Sophia was 12, her mother wrote in Thraliana
    Heavens! a new Distress! my Child, my Sophia will dye: arrested by the hand of God—apparently so: She will die without a Disease—Fits, sudden, unaccountable, unprovoked; Apoplectic, lethargic like her Father. Woodward and Dobson are called: they say her Disorder should be termed Allonitus. 'tis an instant Cessation of all Nature's Pow'rs at once. I saved her in the first Attack, bya Dram of fine Old Usquebough given at the proper Moment—it reviv'd her, but She only lives I see to expire with fresh Struggles.

    Oh spare my Sophia, my Darling, oh spare her gracious heaven—& take in Exchange the life of her wretched Mother!

    She lives, I have been permitted to save her again; I rubbed her while just expiring, so as to keep the heart in Motion: She knew me instantly, & said you warm me but you are killing yourself—I actually was in a burning Fever from exertion, & fainted soon as I had saved my Child.

    Hester has behaved inimitably too, all our Tenderness was called out on this Occasion: dear Creatures! they see I love them, that I would willingly die for them; that I am actually dying to gratifie their Humour at the Expence of my own Happiness: they can but have my Life-let them take it!”;
    - 19 Nov 1783 - Bath, Somerset, England
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    Link to Google MapsMarriage - 13 Aug 1807 - Saint Marylebone, Middlesex, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsDeath - 8 Nov 1824 - Sandgate, Kent, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsAlt. Burial - A mourning tablet in her memory is located inside St Leonards Church, Streatham. - Aft Dec 1824 - Saint Leonards Church, Streatham, Surrey, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsNote - The four daughters of Henry & Hester Thrale established almshouses for poor single women of Streatham. - 1832 - Thrale Almshouses (1832-1930), Streatham High Road, Streatham, Surrey, England Link to Google Earth
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  • Photos
    Sophia Thrale 1771-1824
    Sophia Hoare née Thrale

    Their works
    Sophia Thrale's verses aged 9, 'Convolvulus'
    Sophia Thrale's verses aged 9, "Convolvulus"
    Sophia Thrale's verses on Streatham,
    Sophia Thrale's verses on Streatham,
    With added lines by Hester Lynch Thrale.
    Sophia Thrale's verses 'Harriot' about her younger sister Henrietta Sophia Thrale.
    Sophia Thrale's verses "Harriot" about her younger sister Henrietta Sophia Thrale.

  • Sources 
    1. [S16] Gentleman's Magazine, October 1763 (Reliability: 3).

    2. [S33] Pallot's Marriage Index.